>> would you disagree with governor romney on this point? >> i have my own point of view, and my point of view is the people of america still believe in the american dream, and our responsibility as leaders and public servants is to make sure this is a country where everyone has that equal opportunity to compete and succeed and pursue their dreams. so the way i look at it, and i'll expand on it later this our debate, i suppose, but i think you look at the records. who has created more opportunities? i mentioned welfare reform. those were folks who were down and out and temporarily needed help, and we want to help folks who are able-minded and able-bodied, even folks who are disabled want to work. i think that's one of the great characteristics after owl americans. they -- all americans. they want a government that gives them the opportunity to reach their aspirations -- >> governor, take a moment for rebuttal here a minute. >> i don't think the question of whether governor romney's statements are, you agree with them or disagree with them is